2022-01-27:

Participants: Gerald, Ramona, Steve Crumb, Bernd Mattner, Erik, Sami, Jan, Stephen

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Topics:

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2022-01-20:

Participants: Sami, Pawel, Piotr, Adnan, Erik, Paul, Stephen

Topics:

• Charter Status

  • MQTT adapter

    • SAMI: We need one, AUTOSAR will do it

    • Piotr: legal group must discuss how MQTT Adapter can be published

  • ECH is transport agnostic

  • Data mapper

    • to be generated, so scope is instead tool chain which generate data mapper

  • Simulate API

  • PoC- licenses

    • Sami: Focus is to use MIT-based licenses.

    • Sami: How to handle licenses questions

    • Paul: Send to Steve Crumb or Michael

    • Piotr: Where to store questions related to licenses?

    • Paul: Wherever you find most useful

• AUTOSAR Classic

  • Stephen: COVESA interest in classic, mentioned in charter, both for spec and poC. A bit worrying if in spec but not tested. Renesas also interested in Classic.

  • Stephen: Have you in AUTOSAR discussed Classic for Vehicle API

  • Sami: Classic is on the Radar. Should come at some point. But pushing first for adaptive.

  • Stephen: May be some interest to get some guidance on how to implement in Classic

  • Sami: We intend to be able to read data from classic in adaptive, but you mean implementing on classsic?

  • Sami: We have not considered implementing gateway on classic

• https://github.com/langroodi/Adaptive-AUTOSAR

  • Adnan: Could it possibly be used for simulation, some seem to use it?

  • Adnan: Could we possibly use it to emulate AUTOSAR env?

  • Pawel: Require some checks on our side

  • Adnan: Sami needs to give some feedback, is what they are doing fine from license perspective

  • Stephen: What are dependencies? In-house?

  • Sami to contact Michael (AUTOSAR legal) on if this repo can be used, anyway need to consult team

• Next steps

  • What to discuss next week in sync, what is left for meeting 3rd?

  • What to do after steering body meeting Feb 3rd

    • Format charter outside google, generate PDF to have something fixed to review?

  • Collaboration structure after next steering group

    • Erik: Shall we continue with this slot also after 3rd feb?

    • Paul: Seems good

    • Sami: Once concluded with charter, we hopefully also have license agreement in place as we may need to discuss more

    • Stephen: Ask Steve/Niclas how collaboration can be set up, we need to sync on legal check

  • Discussion

    • Adnan: we proposed a draft, circulate a few days in advance, include what Tieto presented at CES

      • Pawel: Will check, can provide something beginning of next week

    • Stephen: Get statement on license, highlight open topics

      • Erik: Shall we send to license group for questions

      • Paul: Yes

      • Sami: Could we have next call with them, charter say we shall align with legal group, invite them to next Friday

  • Action Points

    • Erik: Integrate latest comments, cleanup of doc

    • Erik: Ask Legal team (Steve Crumb, Niclas Höret) if they can join next week, send them charter. Also ask for meeting legal framework.

    • Pawel: Provide material from (or link to info on) Tieto CES PoC

    • Erik: Paul to create meeting link for continued meeting series (after Feb 3rd)

2022-01-13:

Participants: Sami, Pawel, Piotr, Adnan, Erik

Quick notes:

• Cloud WG has discussed the specification table in meeting yesterday (Jan 12th)

• Erik: Ulf from Ford has created proposal for for an API

• Adnan: We need to focus on core part first

• Adnan: Piotr- do you have any API spec from poC. Do you have any high level description you can share?

• Piotr: We could extract something.

• Adnan: Concerning ECH, We want to have some form of simulation env so non-AUTOSAR members can test/demonstrate it.

• Sami: ECH network adapter interface will not expose anything today covered by AUTOSAR licensing.

• Piotr: AUTOSAR Partners can use demonstrator for simulation. We could possibly make a stubbed implementation not using ara::com that gives same behavior.

• Adnan: Would there be legal problems?

• Sami: We need to consult AUTOSAR legal team.

• Adnan: How can we mimic AUTOSAR service runtime env to show full pipeline available for non-AUTOSAR partners.

• Piotr: We could possibly as part of PoC use Franca for internal southbound instead of ara::com so it can be be run outside AUTOSAR.

• Sami: This is more related to Data Mapper, have a different implementation not relying on AUTOSAR service

• Erik: I have based on comment from Stephen Lawrence

• Erik: If we are to implement an MQT ECH, dowe need to integrate a MQTT netw adapter

• Pawel: If we provide method, it can support both both MQTT and others

• Erik: You need to specify something, like topics

• Pawel: That is likely configuration

• Sami: An ECH may support multiple adapter,

• Pawel: Every API has access to a message queue. callbacks. All handled by configurations.

• Sami: So ECH are quite generic

• Erik: I assume there is need for a small glue layer somewhere been generic network adapter (e.g. MQTT stack)

• Erik: So it seems we are quite aligned on specs, next week we can hopefully discuss PoC and ref implementation contents

• Sami: We need legal guidance on how to collaborate for documents where AUTOSAR is responsible but COVESA to be consulted

Way forward:

• AUTOSAR WG Cloud has next meeting Thu 19th - PoC/ref Impl to be discussed

• Pavel to prepare presentation how existing PoC/Demo exists, to be discussed first in AUTOSAR Cloud WG

• Next joined meeting Fri 20th

2022-12-19

Participants: Sami, Paul, Erik

Quick notes

• Alignment on what was agreed in last steering board meeting

  • Protocol mentions both 31st and 23/24th

  • We will aim to have something ready for 23rd/24th

• Updates of charter - ok to merge comments

  • Erik to merge comments

• Who does what going forward

  • Sami

    • next Cloud WG 12th

    • Then sessions with other WGs needed

    • We can have understanding of deliverables without knowing details

    • Sami back from from vacation about Jan 4th

  • Erik add draft component/deliverable proposal, intended to be ready before Jan 4th, then Sami can do a quick review

  • Add disclaimer, everything can be changed

• Next meeting

  • Sync meeting Friday 13th+20th (15.00-16.00 CET)

  • Erik to invite Sami, Paul, Adnan, Erik

  • Sami will check if more will join from Cloud WG

2022-12-09

Quick notes, please reply if changes are needed. They shall be considered as informal notes only, not a formal protocol

Participants: Nadym, Adnan, Sami, Erik

• Scope of project was discussed, - are parts where no collaboration is needed (like AUTOSAR Data Mapper) to be considered as part of project?

• We need in the charter to state something about responsibilities and collaboration model for the various components

• Erik: Licensing of components needs to be synched with Legal working group

• Sami: We  call upper part adapter, we assume Linux contains VISS server, possibly use VISS as Vehicle API

• Erik: There can be things in VISS that are too complex for us now, like subscription filters, token

• Adnan: Want lightweight between AUTOSAR/Linux

• Adnan: Could possibly consider defining API in OpenAPI

• Sami: What is meant by the statement that methods is to be supported fist in a later increment? Don’t we need methods in the API

• Erik: We need methods for read/write/subscribe, but no need to support custom-specified methods to access functions in AUTOSAR

• Sami: Assisting marketing and training may be out of scope

• Sami: Developing technical API is main focus, assisting marketing/training

• Erik: But we may need to support setup of PoC and Demoas

• Decision: Add “may” in text

• Sami: CLA discussion on AUTOSAR side in progress

• Sami: We will have next internal AUTOSAR meeting on Thursday, we may add more comments to charter

• Adnan: If you already have your ideas on charter you could send it to us and we can align/merge them

• Erik:Then rough plan is that on COVESA-AUTOSAR meeting Dec 16^th we (ie COVESA) present the Charter and you (i.e. AUTOSAR) present their comments

• How to progress

  • Erik: How often to meet

  • Sami: Joint meeting every second week might be sufficient, we have internal every week

  • Erik: Current charter says at least every second week, we can have it more frequent

  • Erik: Do we need a kickoff (online or insite) next year? Half-day?

  • Agreement: Present idea on kick off in steering committee next Friday

  • Erik: Good if you (Sami) could participate dec 16th